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our next speaker is Dale graph I met

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Dale years and years ago where when he

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was standing in a distinguished office

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in pentagon in the DIA and since then

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he's been doing lots of things he has

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degrees in aeronautical engineering and

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physics and a career in aerospace and

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industrial intelligence with less

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government or for several years he was

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chairman of the intelligence community's

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radar and optical data working group he

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spent 30 years investigating researching

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and applying remote viewing inside

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phenomena including workshops and

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seminars and officially as the chief of

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the Stargate remote viewing unit he's

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currently independent research includes

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sigh phenomena occurring in the awake

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state or in the dream state with focus

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on precognition his published books

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include tracks in the psychic wilderness

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and river dreams please help me welcome

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dale graph oh yeah you're right thank

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you I think I'll borrow a term from

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Jerome Clark and say that I'm going to

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be examining various unusual experiences

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some of them are anomalous and some of

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their paranormal anyway where I'm going

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to be looking at is examining a

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different variety of experiences to see

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if there any common features between

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them I'm going to be looking to see if

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there's a side connection that is ESP

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telepathy remote viewing that might

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exist amongst the different experiences

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I'm going to be taking a look at the

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lucid dream on the body spectrum and the

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implications that might come from this

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my first connection with anomalous

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phenomenon occurred when I was assigned

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to the farm technology division in 1964

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and through a fortuitous coincidence I

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was sitting right next to the project

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Bluebook office and I gave me an

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opportunity to sample some of the cases

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that they had in a file I only could

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look through several hundred of the many

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thousands they had there so i can't

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really come up with a definitive

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conclusion on unlike some of the other

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committees that looked at the same data

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but i will say this i think of all the

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data that are recorded they were

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recorded in Project Blue Book and I'll

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go along with the assessment made my

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major

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Quintanilla who was the chief at a time

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that at least ten percent if not more or

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totally unexplained we just can't even

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rationalize but may have cost them at

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while i was at FTD i had the opportunity

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to sit next to the UFO hotline the phone

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which was in an end office next to me

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and occasionally I would be brought in

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to help evaluate the calls that were

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called in from the general public and

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through the years that I was sitting

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there and occasioning looking at some of

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these reports I have to say I did not

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see any that were credible they were

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usually hoaxes or misinterpretations of

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actual data nevertheless I think they're

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at least ten percent of the cases in

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that files that are truly unexplainable

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what was disappointing to me was that

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the data was rather limited there were a

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lot of questions I had but could he

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really get into it and for example there

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were incidents of out-of-body

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experiences described there were unusual

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physiological affection you've heard

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about some of them here some of the

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people that had deciding reported

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spontaneous healings afterwards some of

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them has increased sensitivities like

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when individuals report a near-death

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experience and of course there's ample

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examples of sign phenomenon in there but

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I also noticed in the cases I look at

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and also with people that I met in the

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community and began exploring this with

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people locally in a dayton ohio area

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that some of the experiences had trauma

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in their lives either past even present

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or some future trauma and i have

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examples later my interest sort of died

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off about 1968 when i was transferred to

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hickam air force base and i lost

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interest in the field until i had a near

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drowning experience in Hawaiian surf and

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when I came back from that experience I

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found that the boundaries that I had

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between consciousness and awake had

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totally dissolved I was able to go

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directly from the awake state into the

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dream state without ever going to sleep

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so suddenly I become aware of being in a

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dream and years later I learned that

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does a yoga technique called dream yoga

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where they spent years trying to achieve

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that particular ability

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so this gave me an opportunity to study

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lucid dreams and the outer body

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experience in great detail located

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people in the community that could do

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the same and as we worked with this

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material I found it a lot of archetypal

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material in there for those familiar

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with CG Jung and the collective

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unconscious you'll know what i mean but

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just basically symbols that don't have a

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personal connection that go back in time

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historic into ancient myths mythology

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whatever and I also experienced a lot of

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archetypal and symbolic dreams but they

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had to do with the symbols ground

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symbols disks and whatever which I

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associated with like the mandala a

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symbol of connectedness to my

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subconscious mind and integration was

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going on between my consciousness and my

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sub consciousness as I worked with

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people I found it we hack she shared all

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our mutual dreams whether we wanted to

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or not and we experienced a lot of

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telepathy and precognition this is

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during a time frame in the early 1970s

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when I started to take a deep look at

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this one of the interesting things that

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I found was a losa was that we're really

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looking at dreams but sometimes wake up

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and there was the dream image still in

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the room had it not been for the fact

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that we remembered a dream we were to

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said that was an apparition or a ghost

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and this dream image that remained as we

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woke up momentarily could be frightening

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if we didn't know we had a dream could

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be an in person and animal or a thing

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there are also times when we had false

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awakenings you know you wake up into a

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dream you think you're awake but you're

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not I'm going to show how to get rid of

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that symbol we also experienced sleep

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analysis and sleep paralysis where there

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are times you wake up and you're totally

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paralyzed you can't move it's a very

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unsettling experience and during this

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time we also found that as we worked

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with dreams are waking imagery that was

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very clear and as we experiment with

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different projects we found that was

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very easy to go from a dream state to a

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conscious state particularly when we

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were trying to describe remote scenes or

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pictures that were concealed another

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thing that I found was that the more

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intense you became the more intense

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intensity or intentionality that you put

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into the success of the project the

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experiment

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the more vivid imagery and here's where

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target material was far too emotional

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and the individual on the other end the

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receiving end of the dream or their

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waking state experience would end up

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with severe physical symptoms in some

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cases a picture with somebody being

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stabbed by sword would convert directly

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to a black and blue mark on the arm of

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the individual because we had actually

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gone maybe he spent too much energy and

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trying to connect with that distant

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target I know I had an experience when

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time in a double-blind where the picture

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was a Holocaust somebody being injected

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with poison and I woke up from a

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horrible dream actually thinking I was

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dying I went to the bathroom sick and it

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took me a 10 minutes to get over that

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sickness so it's possible to really get

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absorbed into the target material and

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take on the physical symptoms even to

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the point we actually see the marks now

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I've also been aware of the staring

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experiments these are mild compared to

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some of the more intense physiological

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ones that I've experienced with my

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colleagues over the years I was but

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participant in the S or I am staring

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experiment I was in Russia in 1993 and

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observed the Russian experiment in a

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similar project of a staring which was

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actually more intense than we did in

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this country now I've explored the

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experiences I have three here that are

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really the intense ones over the

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ten-year period that I really looked at

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this one was the alien threat a woman

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contractor being said that there was an

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alien of grey coming into her bedroom

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was shape-shifted and looked like an

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evil demon well the more I talked to her

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the more I realized this sounded more

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like an archetype or something some kind

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of threat together we worked on a mutual

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dreaming and we were able to identify

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that does alien was actually the face

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the shape-shifted into the face of

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somebody that threatened her many years

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ago and we wondered why the dream

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occurred now when it turned out that he

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had called he called her color days

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later says he was then prepared to deal

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with the approaching threat there were

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two other traumas that I worked with it

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that had to do with poltergeist

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phenomena and in one case we down

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a traumatic incident that happened in a

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woman's childhood when her mother tried

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to suffocate her and whenever her

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mother's birthday came around she had

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his poltergeist outbreak objects flew

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case it was a future trauma where the

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woman experienced polygon story of a

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trauma that she would learn about the

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next day now in all the work I've done

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over the years I've been looking at

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different experiences that meditators

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people are going into fasting people

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that experience the Kundalini phenomenon

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which sometimes occurs through

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meditation I've talked to epileptics

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people have seizures I've talked to the

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synesthesia people suffering from cross

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senses a whole host of people that have

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different kinds of experiences and these

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are some of the common experiences they

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view the report as a rotating spinning

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feeling their tunnels their vortexes the

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tubes that get drawn into the strong

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electric and magnetic sensations their